The Butts Avenue

The Butts Avenue

The Butts Avenue, leading to Bull Brow

The Butts Avenue

Jen Taylor Looking a little like York?!

Gordon Monks The Grapes (extreme left) closed! (I don’t know why, but the Grapes always had a bad reputation in my youth.)

Bev Hughes I remember that shop!

Kath Parrington Bull brow has been painted it looks neat, nice and bright x

Warren Ballantyne My mum used to run this shop selling second hand furniture in the 90’s, it was quite busy at the time I don’t know how she managed I look in sometimes when going to la mancha, its tiny inside.
Have to agree about rates in this town its as if the council are trying to suffocate any chance of a thriving business, if a multi million pound firm like Mac Donald’s cant remain in this town what hope has any ambitious new start up got Rochdale doesn’t have a brilliant track record when it comes to supporting new business 25 ten boutique is one example of a successful business that crumbled under the pressure of ridiculously high rents.

Marilyn Shaw Well there must be a problem with the valuation officer’s if they think the buildings in Rochdale are worth more than the likes of Bury. Something not right.

Julie Robinson Still doesn’t answer why Burys rates are so much lower

Warren Ballantyne Seems artificially high business rates are the problem which doesn’t seem to be a problem isolated to Rochdale alone.

Julie Robinson Shall we all get in touch with our local council. This should have been sorted out years ago I think k its to late now

Warren Ballantyne Im guilty of being synical towards rochdale like many other people in this town but im tired of being ashamed of my home town this page does a good job of reinstating a bit of nostalgia and pride and its good to see recent investment in our town i.e new transport links, new shopping centre but watching the local economy crumble and to find out the decline is assisted by government is disheartening. Maybe our local m.p can answer some of our questions.

Nigel Lancashire With pages like this, people always rush to Rochdale’s defence, seemingly wilfully blind to the slow death the town is experiencing. If Rochdale’s rates are killing it, why don’t those who have power and profess to love Rochdale not tackle the problem? In the main, today’s Rochdale Council and the people in grey suits who are there ensuring ‘business as usual’ as councils come and go don’t care as long as they are OK – exemplified by the ridiculously ugly and expensive new premises they’ve built with our money that they believe is more important than spending it first on a town dying from indifference. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns…

Meg Barlow In what way has it improved?

Julie Anne McGrann Bull brow has been painted now, looks great and the floor is a lot better than it is in this photo, with hanging baskets on the Italian restaurant opposite Bull Brow 🙂

Rochdale Past, Present & Future. I do hope somebody can explain this anomaly that it crushing our town

Gordon Monks Is it the rateable value that’s set by central government and the actual rate (based on that value) set by local government? That’s the way it used to be.

Julie Robinson I thought the rates were set by the government. Why are bury rates so low do they subsidise them

Nick Barton Are they much lower in Bury? They cannot subsidise them, they are set by the same Valuation Office and the problem has been primarily identified as a north / south issue.

Paul Jones This shop is still there although a little damp inside, have been making some inquiries about renting this but the rates are ridiculous..

Rochdale Past, Present & Future. how much were the rates Paul Jones

Moira Garrod The rates in Rochdale have killed the town. I can’t believe after all these years it’s still the same. The multiples won’t entertain these costs let alone independants. Very sad they can’t see the wood for the trees.

Paul Jones Neil you would not believe the rates mate. A shop this size is over 12 grand a year just for rates. The same size shop in Bury would be under 4 grand….Rents are the same, so high in Rochdale it’s farcical..It’s as if it’s a deliberate policy bu the Council to kill off the Yorkshire St area in favour of the new development….

Kath Parrington Paul a little Antique shop would be great, Simon has his office on Cheetham street/ st Mary’s gate , give him a ring, i’m sure people would enjoy a shop like this x

Kath Parrington Why don’t we stop knocking Rochdale, and try to support people who are trying to improve !!

Nick Barton Rates are not set by the Council, they are set by the Valuation Office on behalf of the government. The Council have a duty to collect the rates, but no control over the amount. Rents are not set by the Council either, suggesting that either is some kind of Council led conspiracy is bonkers!

Paul Jones Could you therefore explain how the rates in our town and those of Bury are so different?

Paul Jones Harrods rates are £189 per sq mtr, Shop on Yorkshire st £375 per sq mtr….Care to explain?

Nick Barton I suspect the rates are not very different from Bury when you start to look more closely. Was it the rates or the rateable value in each example? Did the Bury shop benefit from small business relief, which many businesses in Rochdale also benefit from? No denying rates are a big issue, but is not just a Rochdale problem, as I have said, they are not set locally.

Paul Jones As of Today the figures are that Rochdale shopkeepers pay on average 40% more than our local neighbours, this does not include any discounts for small business, this is comparing like to like. One of the latest to close on Yorkshire Street was the fish and chip shop on the right that used to house Gregg’s the rateable value of that shop was 39k, actual yearly rates payable were over 18k and the rent for that shop was 10k a year. Outgoings before any utility bills of 28 thousand a year, rates are tied to the rents payable, be it a council owned property or in private hands, as rents fall rates go up to cover the shortfall. this is a government set system, however there are still many buildings in and around Rochdale that are in council hands, and in those cases they do set the rents and offer discounts for new businesses at reduced rates. This in turn drives up the rates payable, this anomaly was to be looked at this year by the ConDems, however this planned reform was shelved by the Govt, am sure the MP for Rochdale is part of this coalition being a Liberal…One of the few winners in this are M&S on Yorkshire St, they in fact own the building they are in and therefore do not pay rent, if this were not the case I have it from the horses mouth itself that M&S would pull out in rapid style. As the post above stated a shop on Yorkshire St is rated at £395 per sq mtr and Harrods of London are rated at £189 per sq feet, those figures are correct as of yesterday…If anyone could explain this divide between the south and the north I would love to be in on that discussion…I do not wish to turn this into a political debate but it is quite obvious that this part of the country is being monetarily raped by this Govt, and previous ones I might add……

Nick Barton I agree rates are a problem, but I don’t think you understand the issue in the article. Lower rents don’t make the rates rise they just change the ratio. I suspect the MP would rather not be referred to a member of the government, as he is a member of the Labour Party.

Paul Jones Is he, I always thought he was a Liberal lol, my mistake…Re the rates, the figures quoted are correct and the differences between areas are indeed vastly different, where rents are falling in Rochdale and remaining fairly constant in other areas there is a marked difference in the rates payable…And guess where they are higher? Where rental income is falling…You would tend to think that in the more affluent areas of the country the rates would be higher, this is not the case. Rents are higher in those areas but the rates are less…..It is not the ratio that is different..The rate charges for each square foot of floor space is higher here than say London and the South East…..To regenerate areas that are suffering the rates have to be significantly less to encourage the take up of premises in the retail sector. The system we have works in exactly the opposite way…

Nick Barton I am going to try and get my hands on the university of Liverpool report.

Paul Jones

Stephen Sparky Spark The road is still the same tho

Julie Anne McGrann no the road is better now, it is flagged and has cobbles at the sides 🙂

Jackie Kershaw If you don’t apply for small business rates relief you wont get it..! In Todmorden there are huge rates discounts for small businesses. I have a feeling that Rochdale council are keeping very quiet about this but I seriously don’t think they want new businesses in the town until they have Yorkshire Street and the new buildings done. Imagine the up evil for new businesses when they start building upper walk ways and the glass domes on it. Best to have as little disruption from tenants as possible glasses emoticon I think that is the general plan and I like it. I hope I haven’t given away their little secret plan, I could have been put in the Stocks for that a few years ago but seeing has the Stocks are STILL in a state of disrepair they will have to pay for my silence lol

Joyce Jones Sorry Jackie – Stock been repaired now! Ha!! Also, the high rents killed the market – that’s why it’s like it is now – wood – trees spring to mind!!

Joanne Watchorn Remember the cafe on left was the Lincoln Green. Many a happy time in there with college friends.

One comment

  1. If it looks like York it would have to be the Shambles, which I think was the Mediaeval Market, and where the Butchers gathered! There used to be one in Manchester too, I think!

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