Bull Brow Rochdale

Bull Brow Rochdale

Bull Brow Rochdale

Bull Brow Rochdale




  Rochdale Past, Present & Future. I do hope somebody can explain this anomaly that it crushing our town
7 October 2013 at 03:29


  Gordon Monks Is it the rateable value that’s set by central government and the actual rate (based on that value) set by local government? That’s the way it used to be.
7 October 2013 at 17:03
  Paul Jones This shop is still there although a little damp inside, have been making some inquiries about renting this but the rates are ridiculous..

6 October 2013 at 19:41


  Kath Parrington Ring Simon mp, see if he can help,
6 October 2013 at 20:09


  Paul Jones This would be the perfect place for a little Antique shop, used to be one many years ago…
6 October 2013 at 20:16


Rochdale Past, Present & Future.how much were the rates Paul Jones
6 October 2013 at 20:20


  Moira Garrod The rates in Rochdale have killed the town. I can’t believe after all these years it’s still the same. The multiples won’t entertain these costs let alone independants. Very sad they can’t see the wood for the trees.

6 October 2013 at 20:22


  Paul Jones Neil you would not believe the rates mate. A shop this size is over 12 grand a year just for rates. The same size shop in Bury would be under 4 grand….Rents are the same, so high in Rochdale it’s farcical..It’s as if it’s a deliberate policy by the Council to kill off the Yorkshire St area in favour of the new development….
6 October 2013 at 20:29


  Kath Parrington Paul a little Antique shop would be great, Simon has his office on Cheetham street/ st Mary’s gate , give him a ring, i’m sure people would enjoy a shop like this x
6 October 2013 at 20:30


  Kath Parrington Why don’t we stop knocking Rochdale, and try to support people who are trying to improve !!
6 October 2013 at 20:33


  Nick Barton Rates are not set by the Council, they are set by the Valuation Office on behalf of the government. The Council have a duty to collect the rates, but no control over the amount. Rents are not set by the Council either, suggesting that either is some kind of Council led conspiracy is bonkers!

6 October 2013 at 23:18


  Paul Jones Could you therefore explain how the rates in our town and those of Bury are so different?
7 October 2013 at 00:02


  Paul Jones Harrods rates are £189 per sq mtr, Shop on Yorkshire st £375 per sq mtr….Care to explain?
7 October 2013 at 00:08


  Nick Barton I suspect the rates are not very different from Bury when you start to look more closely. Was it the rates or the rateable value in each example? Did the Bury shop benefit from small business relief, which many businesses in Rochdale also benefit from? No denying rates are a big issue, but is not just a Rochdale problem, as I have said, they are not set locally.
7 October 2013 at 10:00


  Paul Jones As of Today the figures are that Rochdale shopkeepers pay on average 40% more than our local neighbours, this does not include any discounts for small business, this is comparing like to like. One of the latest to close on Yorkshire Street was the fish and chip shop on the right that used to house Gregg’s the rateable value of that shop was 39k, actual yearly rates payable were over 18k and the rent for that shop was 10k a year. Outgoings before any utility bills of 28 thousand a year, rates are tied to the rents payable, be it a council owned property or in private hands, as rents fall rates go up to cover the shortfall. this is a government set system, however there are still many buildings in and around Rochdale that are in council hands, and in those cases they do set the rents and offer discounts for new businesses at reduced rates. This in turn drives up the rates payable, this anomaly was to be looked at this year by the ConDems, however this planned reform was shelved by the Govt, am sure the MP for Rochdale is part of this coalition being a Liberal…One of the few winners in this are M&S on Yorkshire St, they in fact own the building they are in and therefore do not pay rent, if this were not the case I have it from the horses mouth itself that M&S would pull out in rapid style. As the post above stated a shop on Yorkshire St is rated at £395 per sq mtr and Harrods of London are rated at £189 per sq feet, those figures are correct as of yesterday…If anyone could explain this divide between the south and the north I would love to be in on that discussion…I do not wish to turn this into a political debate but it is quite obvious that this part of the country is being monetarily raped by this Govt, and previous ones I might add……

7 October 2013 at 15:35


  Nick Barton I agree rates are a problem, but I don’t think you understand the issue in the article. Lower rents don’t make the rates rise they just change the ratio. I suspect the MP would rather not be referred to a member of the government, as he is a member of the Labour Party.
7 October 2013 at 21:35


  Paul Jones Is he, I always thought he was a Liberal lol, my mistake…Re the rates, the figures quoted are correct and the differences between areas are indeed vastly different, where rents are falling in Rochdale and remaining fairly constant in other areas there is a marked difference in the rates payable…And guess where they are higher? Where rental income is falling…You would tend to think that in the more affluent areas of the country the rates would be higher, this is not the case. Rents are higher in those areas but the rates are less…..It is not the ratio that is different..The rate charges for each square foot of floor space is higher here than say London and the South East…..To regenerate areas that are suffering the rates have to be significantly less to encourage the take up of premises in the retail sector. The system we have works in exactly the opposite way…

7 October 2013 at 21:51


  Nick Barton I am going to try and get my hands on the university of Liverpool report.
7 October 2013 at 22:19
 Ed Carr Please explain how?
6 October 2013 at 19:23


 Rochdale Past, Present & Future. Ed do you really think it looks this bad now? send us some photos to compare

6 October 2013 at 20:17


  Ed Carr here is one for a starter.
  Julie Robinson Still doesn’t answer why burys rates are so much lower
6 October 2013 at 23:56


  Nigel Lancashire With pages like this, people always rush to Rochdale’s defence, seemingly wilfully blind to the slow death the town is experiencing. If Rochdale’s rates are killing it, why don’t those who have power and profess to love Rochdale not tackle the problem? In the main, today’s Rochdale Council and the people in grey suits who are there ensuring ‘business as usual’ as councils come and go don’t care as long as they are OK – exemplified by the ridiculously ugly and expensive new premises they’ve built with our money that they believe is more important than spending it first on a town dying from indifference. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns…

7 October 2013 at 11:28


  Warren Ballantyne Im guilty of being synical towards rochdale like many other people in this town but im tired of being ashamed of my home town this page does a good job of reinstating a bit of nostalgia and pride and its good to see recent investment in our town i.e new transport links, new shopping centre but watching the local economy crumble and to find out the decline is assisted by government is disheartening. Maybe our local m.p can answer some of our questions.
7 October 2013 at 10:32


  Warren Ballantyne Seems artificially high business rates are the problem which doesn’t seem to be a problem isolated to rochdale alone.
7 October 2013 at 09:05


  Warren Ballantyne Makes for an interesting read.


  Warren Ballantyne My mum used to run this shop selling second hand furniture in the 90s, it was quite busy at the time i dont know how she managed I look in sometimes when going to la mancha, its tiny inside.
Have to agree about rates in this town its as if the council are trying to suffocate any chance of a thriving business, if a multi million pound firm like macdonalds cant remain in this town what hope has any ambitious new start up got rochdale doesn’t have a brilliant track record when it comes to supporting new business 25 ten boutique is one example of a succesfull business that crumbled under the pressure of ridiculously high rents.
6 October 2013 at 22:39


  Julie Robinson I thought the rates were set by the government. Why are bury rates so low do they subsidise them
6 October 2013 at 21:05


  Nick Barton Are they much lower in Bury? They cannot subsidise them, they are set by the same Valuation Office and the problem has been primarily identified as a north / south issue.

7 October 2013 at 21:41

Kath Parrington Bull brow has been painted it looks neat, nice and bright x
6 October 2013 at 19:55


  Meg Barlow In what way has it improved?
6 October 2013 at 19:29


  Julie Anne McGrann Bull brow has been painted now, looks great and the floor is a lot better than it is in this photo, with hanging baskets on the Italian restaurant opposite bullbrow
7 October 2013 at 12:12


6 October 2013 at 19:25


  Dave Lee And this photo shows it eh!
6 October 2013 at 19:20


  Joanne Watchorn Remember the cafe on left was the Lincoln Green. Many a happy time in there with college friends.
28 August at 08:53


  Nick Heywood from a dump to a lot bigger dump
7 October 2013 at 16:23


  Julie Robinson Shall we all get in touch with our local council. This should have been sorted out years ago I think k its to late now

7 October 2013 at 09:40


  Marilyn Shaw Well there must be a problem with the valuation officer’s if they think the buildings in Rochdale are worth more than the likes of Bury. Something not right.
6 October 2013 at 23:39


  Bev Hughes I remember that shop!
6 October 2013 at 20:27


  Nigel Lancashire Ooo look, an open shop in Rochdale… And it wasn’t even cashing cheques or offering loans. Improved how exactly?

6 October 2013 at 20:25


  Neil Bainbridge Not really at least the shop was open now it’s shut like most of town
6 October 2013 at 19:49


  Gordon Monks The Grapes (extreme left) closed! (I don’t know why, but the Grapes always had a bad reputation in my youth.)
6 October 2013 at 19:39

Lomax Street Rochdale

Lomax Street Rochdale

Lomax Street Rochdale, photo from Harold Howarth

Lomax Street



5 October 2013 at 14:17
  John Francis Durkin parrs builders on left
5 October 2013 at 14:19
  Rochdale Past, Present & Future. the pub opposite went earlier this year

5 October 2013 at 14:25

  Rochdale Past, Present & Future. a lovely building too….

5 October 2013 at 14:25

  Kath Severs The pub was The Britannia and it has now been demolished………along with half of Rochdales Heritage!!

5 October 2013 at 17:49

  Gary Osbaldeston I have been told the Britannia was sold on eBay and it’s has been shipped to America
5 October 2013 at 15:26
  Rochdale Past, Present & Future. It was taken down block by block so that is probably correct, everything was numbered
  Tracey Tuksa Was the pub called the Foundry ?

5 October 2013 at 14:25

  Inez Ainsworth Its Lomax street the Britannia was my home for 20 + years shame its gone very sad
10 October 2013 at 00:50
  Olive Whipp I think John is right … Lomax St …
5 October 2013 at 14:54
  Olive Whipp St, Pat’s at the top …
5 October 2013 at 14:56
  June Eves Used to work at Crittalls opposite St Pats school.
5 October 2013 at 17:28
  Marie Merchant Went to St Pats at the top of the street.
5 October 2013 at 14:51
  Pat Merchant Brady Used to go to the Britannia many many years ago when Dave and Inness had it.
5 October 2013 at 15:43
  Elizabeth Macpherson I think the pub was ‘Britannia Inn’ Tracey.
5 October 2013 at 14:32
  John Francis Durkin lomax st
5 October 2013 at 14:25
  Bernice Rhodes keep the pics coming
12 October 2013 at 20:43
  Ian B Graham ”Foundry”
5 October 2013 at 19:30
5 October 2013 at 14:26
  Margaret Jones Is this Elliot Street or Lomax St I know St Patricks school is on one and St Patricks church is on the other. I also remember. Cooney’s sweet shop on the corner outside of St Patricks school. They sold every conceivable sweet ever made.
5 October 2013 at 20:37

First Carcraft Showroom

First Carcraft Showroom

First Carcraft Showroom situated on Molesworth Street, Rochdale.

Photo from Harold Howarth

First Carcraft Showroom


 Rochdale Past, Present & Future. Is this the first Carcraft garage?
30 August 2013 at 08:59


  Javed Chowdry Yes. They also had that Motor spares shop on Entwistle Road near the Texaco petrol station before they got big headed.
30 August 2013 at 09:01


  Ian B Graham Frank wasnt big headed, just a shrewd business man !
15 September 2013 at 23:17
  Mark Wild Sorry what do you mean “big headed”?


  Mark Wild I now live in Florida but remember carcraft and Saw them get bigger, ate they still going?
30 August 2013 at 11:32


  David Garside Ditto previous comments !!!
30 August 2013 at 10:25



  Jean Hiles I think it looks like Molesworth St, the Brewery up on the left hand side with the chimney?
4 September 2013 at 09:28


  Mark Smith I used to work here at Carcraft in the 80s, they moved to Castleton and the McKee family sold out. They have branches all over the UK now. Noel and Darren McKee, the sons of Frank now own Webuyanycar.com
2 September 2013 at 15:49


  Ian B Graham My wife Anne was the first car sales woman in Lancashire as Frank was so proud to announce…..
15 September 2013 at 23:15


  Gillian Prowse yep they still going… got bigger and bigger – got quite a few branches now.
30 August 2013 at 20:08


  Neil Edwards my mum worked at bescos making cleaning cloths
30 August 2013 at 20:01


  Jim Buckley Bet those VW Kombi vans are still going!
30 August 2013 at 14:40


  Kathryn Fallows Jack Baron had the servicing at the Esso garage.
30 August 2013 at 13:43


  Nichola Ashton molesworth street?
30 August 2013 at 09:15



  Bryan Clark used to work in that mill at the back
30 August 2013 at 15:17


  Darren Eves yes!
30 August 2013 at 09:01

Motorists Supermarket Rochdale

Motorists Supermarket Rochdale

Motorists Supermarket Rochdale, photo from Harold Howarth

Motorist Supermarket


Motorists Supermarket



  Tony Nixon I *think* this is looking along Entwisle Road at the junction of Halifax Road. To bottom left of the pic would now be the Texaco garage. The Motorist’s Supermarket is the humble beginnings of Carcraft.
30 August 2013 at 03:26



  Tim Wrigley Yes the Motorist Supermarket Shop is Where Frank McKee Started is Empire {Carcraft}..
30 August 2013 at 14:11
  Steve Wild yep your right it is entwistle rd remember it well.
30 August 2013 at 09:51


30 August 2013 at 08:57


  Kath Severs I used to work for Frank McKee who owned the Motorist Supermarket along with the “Little One” petrol station at Heybrook Corner and the petrol station that was at the end of Water Street before he went on to be “Carcraft” car sales. Happy Days.
30 August 2013 at 07:56


  Raees Mahmood Khan I love this Facebook page! I’ve heard my dad talk about these places since I was knee-high to a grasshopper! The early days of Carcraft etc! It’s amazing to actually see them now as he did when he first came to Rochdale!
2 September 2013 at 02:41


  Tim Wrigley I used to work for Frank at Carcraft.. Really nice Bloke.. His Sons Noel, Darren and Daughter Mandy all run it now.. Noel being the Main Man..
30 August 2013 at 14:14


  Tony Nixon I went to school with Frank’s lad Darren. Eeee how the world goes round
30 August 2013 at 09:25


  Forshaw Accrington Smythe Wonder if that’s my dads Hillman Hunter estate outside. Grasshopper Green it was. Dad was always buying bits in there for it. lol
30 August 2013 at 09:24

DK1 Rochdale

DK1 Rochdale


DK1 Rochdale. Taken May 1989, photo from Harold Howarth


1 September at 18:28


 Rochdale Past, Present & Future. No reason to ever get rid of a car like this, in perfect nick it would only go up in value and create a much better impression in my opinion……so what if it drinks juice lol
1 September at 18:30 


  Geoff Haslam Civic Pride….another fading memory!
1 September at 19:44


  Rochdale Past, Present & Future.Thank you, “Civic Pride” is exactly what we need more of Geoff
1 September at 21:14


  Keith Bamford DK 1 is still Rochdale’s Mayors car but not a Daimler DS420 unfortunately
1 September at 18:56



  Neil Matthews DK1 is now the number of the Mayor of Stockport I believe. DK as a suffix/prefix got moved to Stockport. A travesty!
1 September at 18:29


  James Earnshaw Hi. It’s still on the Volvo used by the Mayor of Rochdale.
1 September at 18:54


  Neil Matthews Ah shame they took the reg away – typical bureaucracy
1 September at 19:25


  Dave Hill DK as a registration became absorbed into (Greater) Manchester after 1974 which is why you see it on a Stockport car. DB was one of the original Stockport registrations along with JA.
1 September at 21:31


  Pat Merchant Brady Those were the days. Gone, but never forgotten .
2 September at 05:13


  Clive Rushton Totally agree. The Mayor’s car should be DK1 forever. I remember when it was a RR. Now I drive DK 1 CR.
1 September at 23:07


  Bev Calvert My dad used to drive DK1, it was his pride and joy!
1 September at 20:05


  Alison Jones was it DK1
5 September at 11:33


  Agnes Bilton Has he parked in a KEEP CLEAR area . perhaps he can’t read.
2 September at 15:49


  Alex Titley daimler
2 September at 08:59